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		<title>Comment on Watch out for those elderly radical nuns&#8230; by Sandy, csj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy, csj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Elizatbethanne... I think in this case, the polling place was at the convent, so the sisters did not have to go out to vote. I would also guess that they knew they would be turned away and showed up mainly to make a point. Absolutely, rules should be followed...  

As for Florida in 2000, I seem to remember that it was more a matter of votes not being counted (especially in highly Democratic counties) than of fraudulent voting that caused the turmoil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Elizatbethanne&#8230; I think in this case, the polling place was at the convent, so the sisters did not have to go out to vote. I would also guess that they knew they would be turned away and showed up mainly to make a point. Absolutely, rules should be followed&#8230;  </p>
<p>As for Florida in 2000, I seem to remember that it was more a matter of votes not being counted (especially in highly Democratic counties) than of fraudulent voting that caused the turmoil.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Watch out for those elderly radical nuns&#8230; by Elizabethanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabethanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respectfully, in my opinion, if you plan to vote and are aware of the law, why would you scream foul if you weren't following it?  If they can get out to vote, they are not homebound.  Yes, no voter fraud was suspected but this is a tight race and you don't want to give either candidate grounds for suing or saying the rules weren't followed - think Al Gore and the FLorida election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully, in my opinion, if you plan to vote and are aware of the law, why would you scream foul if you weren&#8217;t following it?  If they can get out to vote, they are not homebound.  Yes, no voter fraud was suspected but this is a tight race and you don&#8217;t want to give either candidate grounds for suing or saying the rules weren&#8217;t followed - think Al Gore and the FLorida election.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An example of nonviolent resistance by Sandy, csj</title>
		<link>http://nunsuch.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/an-example-of-nonviolent-resistance/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy, csj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;From Pippa, whose comment somehow got lost in cyberspace..&lt;/em&gt;

Hi Sandy!

Thank you for this very insightful and thought-provoking thread!

I absolutely agree that nonviolence includes the whole spectrum of interaction with other living beings ~ not only the physical.

In any faith, violence of especially emotion can infiltrate our ranks before we even know it. And the inclusivity of the church certainly must be the most tender ground for strong emotional reaction, whether for or against.

When the Methodist church in South Africa opened the question of whether gay leadership is Biblically "allowable" a few years ago, I had to ask questions myself. My perspective deepened so much on what became a very, very intense journey ~ up till that point I had never given it much thought. Because of what I came to believe, that our sexual orientation does not matter, I experienced firsthand from a family member what it feels like to encounter judgement, anger and prejudice. The relationship with this family member never completely recovered.

And I admit my own responsibility for it as well, because though I did not act emotionally violently towards her as we clashed on this matter, within my heart was such vehemence that it made little difference.

By contrast, all the people I encountered who just wanted a place in the church, and some acceptance from their brothers and sisters, were so gentle and open. I attended a gay church to see what it was all about, and was welcomed with open arms. I corresponded with the sweetest man who displayed such patience with the people flaming him ... and I thought: that is how I want to be.

I learned a lot!

I have the deepest respect for ANYONE who manages to respond to injustice with peace, love and grace. In the end it is nothing but God's grace, isn't it?

You say it exactly right: It is that balance between "not giving in to rage and bitterness on one hand, nor to passive resignation and despair on the other."

When accusations were thrown at Jesus, when He was humiliated and tortured and misunderstood, He didn't hold it against them.

And that is who I want to be. Through and through!

Love,
Pippa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>From Pippa, whose comment somehow got lost in cyberspace..</em></p>
<p>Hi Sandy!</p>
<p>Thank you for this very insightful and thought-provoking thread!</p>
<p>I absolutely agree that nonviolence includes the whole spectrum of interaction with other living beings ~ not only the physical.</p>
<p>In any faith, violence of especially emotion can infiltrate our ranks before we even know it. And the inclusivity of the church certainly must be the most tender ground for strong emotional reaction, whether for or against.</p>
<p>When the Methodist church in South Africa opened the question of whether gay leadership is Biblically &#8220;allowable&#8221; a few years ago, I had to ask questions myself. My perspective deepened so much on what became a very, very intense journey ~ up till that point I had never given it much thought. Because of what I came to believe, that our sexual orientation does not matter, I experienced firsthand from a family member what it feels like to encounter judgement, anger and prejudice. The relationship with this family member never completely recovered.</p>
<p>And I admit my own responsibility for it as well, because though I did not act emotionally violently towards her as we clashed on this matter, within my heart was such vehemence that it made little difference.</p>
<p>By contrast, all the people I encountered who just wanted a place in the church, and some acceptance from their brothers and sisters, were so gentle and open. I attended a gay church to see what it was all about, and was welcomed with open arms. I corresponded with the sweetest man who displayed such patience with the people flaming him &#8230; and I thought: that is how I want to be.</p>
<p>I learned a lot!</p>
<p>I have the deepest respect for ANYONE who manages to respond to injustice with peace, love and grace. In the end it is nothing but God&#8217;s grace, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>You say it exactly right: It is that balance between &#8220;not giving in to rage and bitterness on one hand, nor to passive resignation and despair on the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>When accusations were thrown at Jesus, when He was humiliated and tortured and misunderstood, He didn&#8217;t hold it against them.</p>
<p>And that is who I want to be. Through and through!</p>
<p>Love,<br />
Pippa</p>
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		<title>Comment on An example of nonviolent resistance by kjlec</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjlec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be wonderful if the invitation were accepted? Thank you for sharing this, Sandy - I don't know where I would have run across it. I touches my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be wonderful if the invitation were accepted? Thank you for sharing this, Sandy - I don&#8217;t know where I would have run across it. I touches my heart.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflections on nonviolence as a way of life by kjlec</title>
		<link>http://nunsuch.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/reflections-on-nonviolence-as-a-way-of-life/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>kjlec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A beautiful poem - thank you for sharing. It echoes a conversation I had with my husband a few days ago. I was feeling overwhelmed: things are too bad; how can we hope to effect any change? Jerry reminded me that sometimes our job is to plant a seed and sometimes, as the poem says, to water seeds someone else has planted. As I prepare for pastoral ministry in healthcare, I am especially touched by the poem's reminder that "no pastoral visit brings wholeness" and that "we are workers, not master builders" - I don't have the blueprint; I don't know the master plan - nor do I have to. My responsibility is to be in communion and cooperate with the One who is the Master. Thank you for bringing this to the forefront of my thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A beautiful poem - thank you for sharing. It echoes a conversation I had with my husband a few days ago. I was feeling overwhelmed: things are too bad; how can we hope to effect any change? Jerry reminded me that sometimes our job is to plant a seed and sometimes, as the poem says, to water seeds someone else has planted. As I prepare for pastoral ministry in healthcare, I am especially touched by the poem&#8217;s reminder that &#8220;no pastoral visit brings wholeness&#8221; and that &#8220;we are workers, not master builders&#8221; - I don&#8217;t have the blueprint; I don&#8217;t know the master plan - nor do I have to. My responsibility is to be in communion and cooperate with the One who is the Master. Thank you for bringing this to the forefront of my thinking.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflections on nonviolence as a way of life by Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 17:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello there. I hope you are well. I am doing good here...keeping busy.  I thought I would share with you a prayer I recieved as part of preperation for a retreat that I am on the team for.


		THE LONG VIEW
		A PRAYER BY Archbishop Oscar Romero


It helps now and then, to step back and take the long view.
	The Kingdom is not only beyond our efforts, 
	It is even beyond our  vision.
We accomplish in our lifetime only a tiny fraction of the
	Magnificent enterprise that is God’s work
Nothing we do is complete, which is another way of saying
	That the Kingdom always lies beyond us.

No statement says all that should be said.
No prayer fully expresses our faith.
No confession brings perfection,
No pastoral visit brings wholeness.
No program accomplishes the church’s mission.
No set of goals and objectives includes everything.

This is what we are about.
We plant the seeds that one day will grow.
We water seeds already planted,
	Knowing that they will need further development.
We provide yeast that produces effects far beyond our capabilities.

We cannot do everything, 
	And there is liberation in realizing that.
This enables us to do something, and to do it very well.
It may be incomplete, but it is a beginning
	A step along the way,
	An opportunity for the Lord’s grace to enter
	And do the rest.

We may never see the end results, 
	But that is the difference between the master builder and the worker.

We are workers, not master builders,
	Ministers, not messiahs.
We are the prophets of a future that is not our own.

AMEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there. I hope you are well. I am doing good here&#8230;keeping busy.  I thought I would share with you a prayer I recieved as part of preperation for a retreat that I am on the team for.</p>
<p>		THE LONG VIEW<br />
		A PRAYER BY Archbishop Oscar Romero</p>
<p>It helps now and then, to step back and take the long view.<br />
	The Kingdom is not only beyond our efforts,<br />
	It is even beyond our  vision.<br />
We accomplish in our lifetime only a tiny fraction of the<br />
	Magnificent enterprise that is God’s work<br />
Nothing we do is complete, which is another way of saying<br />
	That the Kingdom always lies beyond us.</p>
<p>No statement says all that should be said.<br />
No prayer fully expresses our faith.<br />
No confession brings perfection,<br />
No pastoral visit brings wholeness.<br />
No program accomplishes the church’s mission.<br />
No set of goals and objectives includes everything.</p>
<p>This is what we are about.<br />
We plant the seeds that one day will grow.<br />
We water seeds already planted,<br />
	Knowing that they will need further development.<br />
We provide yeast that produces effects far beyond our capabilities.</p>
<p>We cannot do everything,<br />
	And there is liberation in realizing that.<br />
This enables us to do something, and to do it very well.<br />
It may be incomplete, but it is a beginning<br />
	A step along the way,<br />
	An opportunity for the Lord’s grace to enter<br />
	And do the rest.</p>
<p>We may never see the end results,<br />
	But that is the difference between the master builder and the worker.</p>
<p>We are workers, not master builders,<br />
	Ministers, not messiahs.<br />
We are the prophets of a future that is not our own.</p>
<p>AMEN</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some downtime&#8230; by kjlec</title>
		<link>http://nunsuch.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/some-downtime/#comment-1679</link>
		<dc:creator>kjlec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take time to ENJOY a much deserved rest - may it be revitalizing and rejuvenating and may you return with new-found strength energy and vigor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take time to ENJOY a much deserved rest - may it be revitalizing and rejuvenating and may you return with new-found strength energy and vigor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Some downtime&#8230; by Steven R. McEvoy</title>
		<link>http://nunsuch.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/some-downtime/#comment-1678</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven R. McEvoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always look forward to your posts and completely understand a busy schedule and need to rest.

Steven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always look forward to your posts and completely understand a busy schedule and need to rest.</p>
<p>Steven</p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you want, God?! by Sandy, csj</title>
		<link>http://nunsuch.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/what-do-you-want-god/#comment-1677</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy, csj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Pippa and Claire, for your reflections. Having other views in addition to mine makes our conversation richer.

I've been sleeping quite well, you might like to know... In retrospect, I believe that part of my restlessness last week was unacknowledged nerves about a difficult meeting I had at work two days after I had the sleepless night. That's not to discount my earlier reflection by any means...just a little more to add the the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Pippa and Claire, for your reflections. Having other views in addition to mine makes our conversation richer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been sleeping quite well, you might like to know&#8230; In retrospect, I believe that part of my restlessness last week was unacknowledged nerves about a difficult meeting I had at work two days after I had the sleepless night. That&#8217;s not to discount my earlier reflection by any means&#8230;just a little more to add the the picture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What do you want, God?! by Pippa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy, I have been thinking long and hard about this post of yours. And yes, of course nuns are REAL! Strange how the stereotypical image persists.

I have always disliked Adam from the Bible because he wanted an Eve when he had GOD (!) Who walked in the gardens with him. Until I realized very recently that God did not merely make us spirit; He made us flesh as well. And therefore we will always have physical needs, too. I'm not even referring to the sexual ~ though of course, that too ~ but the very real need to wake up with someone behind your back, or a shoulder to lean against.

And I think He understands very well when we long for a mate of our own, no matter how glorious our communion with Him sometimes is.

For myself, now that I am single, I desperately and deeply desire that awareness of His closeness. And though I still work through the emotional residue left by the break-up, I still sometimes long for a mate.

Do I have second thoughts about taking one road instead of the other? Oh, for sure! Battling regret is one of my most insidious and most constant struggles. 

I learn a lot. And that is what this journey here is all about, isn't it?

I hope you have found peace again.

Love,
Pippa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy, I have been thinking long and hard about this post of yours. And yes, of course nuns are REAL! Strange how the stereotypical image persists.</p>
<p>I have always disliked Adam from the Bible because he wanted an Eve when he had GOD (!) Who walked in the gardens with him. Until I realized very recently that God did not merely make us spirit; He made us flesh as well. And therefore we will always have physical needs, too. I&#8217;m not even referring to the sexual ~ though of course, that too ~ but the very real need to wake up with someone behind your back, or a shoulder to lean against.</p>
<p>And I think He understands very well when we long for a mate of our own, no matter how glorious our communion with Him sometimes is.</p>
<p>For myself, now that I am single, I desperately and deeply desire that awareness of His closeness. And though I still work through the emotional residue left by the break-up, I still sometimes long for a mate.</p>
<p>Do I have second thoughts about taking one road instead of the other? Oh, for sure! Battling regret is one of my most insidious and most constant struggles. </p>
<p>I learn a lot. And that is what this journey here is all about, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I hope you have found peace again.</p>
<p>Love,<br />
Pippa</p>
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